That's where Ukraine always was in history, it's where Russians would run away for freedom.


But equally, there are going to be parts of the front that carry on fighting hard, like around Mariupol, despite they're loosing people, they still keep attacking and attacking. 

David Simms:
I'm thinking on the Russian side, initially here is, first their chain of command structure is a disaster. So effectively doing this is not going to happen. But what Russia really needs to do is to consolidate reorganize, which some of that is a withdrawal under pressure, from where their lines are far too extended, reorganize their units and then be able to redeploy, but they can't coordinate that. That's very rare read passenger lines is one of the most difficult operations you can possibly conduct. And when you are an incompetent army at the tactical level, it's not going to happen. But that's what Russia would really need to do at this point, to be able to regain any kind of momentum, other than just going to a pure war of attrition or into a negotiated settlement. I think Ukrainian units will continue to isolate small Russian units and treat them piecemeal. Because they can't,  coordinate anything on the Russian side. But that's what Russia really needs to do. They need to pull back their lines a little bit, especially over the past week. Because  there's no coordination. There's no command and control. You know, the chain of command is not understood. And I agree with you, Sam, I think Russian trying to hold control at the strategic level of tactical units, which,  will never work.

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